carmina vs meermin sizing
Yanko 915 3 eyelet derby 9.5UK: Probably more form fitting and snug than tlb or carmina (probably due to sizing down) but near perfect in shape. Thanks a lot Simon. I shall have to give bespoke shoes a try some day. (And btw, do you know anything about the quality of this Kingsman line they sell on Mr. I started out with Allen Edmunds because they offer reasonably priced shoes (for Americans) with decent quality. European lasts just dont fit well as they have heels that are way too big. Good point about Allen Edmonds. In the end I find it would be the most comfortable of all three lasts. Same thing is true at a luxury level. Ive only been reading PS for a few months, and I immediately got hooked to the point that I spend my free time reading past articles in order to catch up. * **Gaziano Girling DG70** 8.5FUK comfortable. The stitching on the soles is also less dense, though the soles do have some nice detailing like shaped waists and channeled soles, as you mentioned. Carmina shoes have soles that are durable and very comfortable in their design, due to the Goodyear Welt construction used to hold them in place. But whats my experience, and I know for many others as well who have good bespoke shoes, is that the experience of wearing them, with the snug comfortable fit, excellent arch support etc, widely triumph wearing RTW/MTO Goodyear welted shoes. My right foot always had some heel slip even with the laces pulled very tight and a tongue pad. I suppose they get away with it because the overwhelming majority of their customers arent that knowledgeable about shoes or leather quality. I realise this may seem like a simple choice, and maybe thats exactly what youll say, but Im only 25 years old and money is definitely a consideration. Jesper thinks Skolyx (above) is better in this regard than the others, though he is biased*. Unless there is also a considerable increase in quality, Id say this reposition leaves Church as even less of a value for money option. A very nice pair of black cap toes on the Eton last but far to hard to break in. For 200, its a really solid shoe. Cheers Adam, and very pleased thats the case. Unlike tailoring where fashions and preferences can change over time, given your taste and understanding of fit also develops, shoes are mostly immune to change. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Finally and most importantly, find a last that truly fits your feet. the Meermins have four speedhooks and a pull tab, whereas the Carminas have three and forego the tab. Sometimes they run big and sometimes they run small. both pairs have a dainite (or dainite-type, in Meermin's case) sole the Meermins have blind eyelets, whereas the Carminas have a brass eyelet that look to match the speedhook finish the heel on the Carminas is quite a bit longer than Meermin's Morjas definitely makes decent shoes, even though I wouldnt recommend buying any pair with leather soles, as these are the worst soles Ive ever encountered. ", Spain 1: TLB, Yanko, Septieme Largeur and Andres Sendra. Many people have fallen in love with the Carminas because of how good-looking they are. Gaziano & Girling MH71: UK 11.5 F. Gaziano & Girling GG06: UK 11.5 F. Gaziano & Girling KN14: UK 11.5 F. Gaziano & Girling DG70: UK 11.5 F. Gaziano . I cant really comment Im afraid Sebastian, having never owned any. As Carmina did when it first became popular, and as TLB Artista (below) is perhaps doing now. Theyre perhaps most similar to Skolyx, in being a very simple make but with good materials. There are some great savings on offer and often the defects are either unnoticeable or very minor. G&G also have exceptional service in the store. Andres Sendra: I have a pair of wholecuts. The last of their chukka didnt fit me, but the suede felt surprisingly good for the price. And it seems like, that level of service pervades the company. Rock Your Socks- show your sock, shoe & pant combos, *DROP 3/1* NWT $240 Ralph Lauren Purple Label Italian Made Navy Linen & Mulberry Silk Twill Neck Tie, * DROP 3/1 * NWT $225 Ralph Lauren Purple Label Italian Made Square Knit Solid Black Silk Neck Tie, R.M.Williams Comfort Craftsman Tobacco Suede UK 8.5 H. OGIO Golf Travel Bags The Royal Experience! Its a standard Goodyear shoe, with no fuss. Too tight in the vamp and mid-foot. Its a bit funny though that you state I do arbitrary claims, when you yourself lift the examples you do, without backing it up with anything. Former Affiliate Vendor Threads; a Locked Forum. ), but perhaps that wouldnt be entirely appropriate. Their leather in general is terrible, even after wearing the shoe almost a year on a regular basis (hoping it will get softer), it keeps being stiff and uncomfortable. Click Here to join Styleforum's thousands of style enthusiasts today! Made in Spain. Other than more subjective things like style, it's fair to say this is the most consistent difference between English and Spanish shoes. Id be interested to see a reference for the made in Asia comment in the article. So in order to create a frame of reference, I phoned Jesper Ingevaldsson, who writes the website Shoegazing.com and now works in the industry, for Swedish shop/brand Skolyx. I'll try to be fairly comprehensive Allen Edmonds 511 9.5D: Seemed like a bad fit or just poorly lasted. I would also recommend Thomas George Collection (based in Melbourne) and Crownhill Shoes (Spain), two quality brands who sit at the same price range of Morjas/Velasca and they do great bang for the bucket GW Shoes. (Vibergs cxl is different to Thursday boots cxl.). And the soles are much more flexible too, more similar to a Blake stitched shoe than a Goodyear welted one. Loake, Barker, Cheaney, etc. Im happy to pay a bit more for that consistency and service. Note: I have pretty weird feet, slim waist, slim heels, slightly high instep, and low volume. Im trying to decide between the following two options: 1) Myrqvist Molle Loafers @ 151 per pair, 2) Trickers Elton Loafers @ 225 per pair (on sale). Matty: Late reply, but noticed your comment just now. Total:1,176 (members:154, guests:1,022), Preorders, Group Made-to-order, trunk shows, and o. More disclosure is called for before putting a disclaimer on others situation. Something to keep in mind. Make a mark at the front of your longest toe. Id also echo other comments that a trip to the factory outlet shops in Northampton is well worth it. Here's some of my sizing for reference: Meermin RON 11.5 medium Tricker's Bourton 10.5 Tricker's Stow 11 Carmina Xim UNLINED 10.5 Carmina Simpson 11.5 Alden Grant 11.5 Off sale they come in at about 380 per pair (sale price 225) and they have a great re-furb service where for 80, theyll send them back to you as good as new. In fact at some point I wondered whether you were being protectionist of Northampton makers by apparently shunning AE, but then I could not see anywhere else that could be like you. Career and job listings in fashion, mens clothing, Reviews of Classifieds and classifieds sellers, No Man Walks Alone - Official Affiliate Thread (a.k.a. I find that you almost always get what you pay for when it comes to goodyear welted shoes and both of these shoemakers are a big step up from all the budget tier brands I have tried in terms of materials, fit, craftmanship and durability. Another area where a lot of the English makers fall down, at this price level and below, is the soles, which arent as good as Spanish brands in general. Very comfortable, great instep for oxfords, * **Trickers W2298** 8UK a bit tight at the toes, perfectly snug everywhere else, * **Trickers 4444** 8UK tiny bit of heel slip, fits like a dream at the ball, * **Thomas George Jackas** 7.5UK a bit roomy. Is it enough to justify the extra 75 quid per pair? Plain black Oxfords from Churchs who are near the rail station. Im a regular customer of both Jermyn Street shops and the customer service Ive consistently experienced over many years has been exceptionally good, significantly better than Ive experienced in some other, more expensive establishments that will be well known to readers of this blog. Nice idea for a thread, but does anyone have experience with carmina's wide width options? HOK 8.5: Bad fit. Goto-san requires tracings to be sized in these and you really should have them done. I did have a little heel slip in the beginning that went away. meister Stylish Dinosaur Joined Feb 10, 2007 Messages 10,772 Reaction score 2,515 Dec 28, 2011 #9 Low arches but not flat. Second is a Loake 1880 snuff suede apron derby boot. Thanks, which makes them a bit of a bargin at the moment with 20% off. My next purchase would probably be one from G&Gs classic collection, but I can hardly justify buying another shoe when I have 2 brand new pairs (another Meermin and Trickers) which remain unworn due to quarantine. I even got a pair of Lobb Chapels for 245 in 2009. No one wants their sole to wear down quickly, but points like the shaped waist are more aesthetic, and its up to you whether you care about them. * **Midas Bootmaker Landshaker** 42EU excellent fit with room to wiggle toes in medium socks. But I would be fairly confident that, as with other English makers, you get pretty much exactly what you pay for. I have dainite soled storm welted trickers penny loafers and also commando soled stows, and I cant see myself wearing them much with anything aside from jeans or super casual chinos/corduroys. Truman P-79 9D: Good fit, was snug the first day with boot socks and now comfortable with boot socks. Boot socks. Alden Barrie (lined shell): 10D, a little snug at the big toe but great in the ball and very supportive overall. This means the number of brands to cover increases, as they do at the bottom of most clothing categories, so towards the end we divide into regional sections instead. The brand focuses on doing the basics well and I recommend it to every friend of mine that wants to try goodyear welted shoes for the first time. Thanks EL. Not least their finer ranges are really nice IMO. The alternative is leather board read the rest of the article and youll see it. I will refrain from commenting on fit unless people think it will be helpful. ??? Its an entirely stupid thing to say, not least because most of the leather used on the soles of English shoes are from European tanneries. This helped me understand why sizing as 10D was actually very bad advice and never worked out well. Fast worldwide deliveries; 14 day returns; . (My feet are only moderately narrow, so I dont have issues with normal width lace up shoes). 11D would've been better out of the box but CXL is very forgiving. The former you appreciate in the shoes over time. A bit surprised that you had the experience with Berluti, they have a pretty good reputation. Start-up brands are often good on marketing, on styling and photography. Do you guys size down or buy your standard Carmina size? From time to time you find great deals for +/- USD 600. I have four pairs from them that cover all my needs and they are definitely as good as John Lobb who charge you over twice the price. I also had disappointing experiences with Myrqvists quality. 9.5D heel to ball, just a smidge under 9.5D on heel to toe. So, in summary, if you look at the price, most of Carmina's shoes cost 329 or 395 or $475, and for that amount of money, the range of last you get is quite good. Slightly tight on mid-foot for the first day. Grant Stone Oliver 9D: Great fit. Oak Street Bootmakers Elston 9.5D: Only tried on, seemed like a good fit, but the boots went back for a return. US size 8 at the best online prices at eBay! As a simple example, in the UK the price of Consul, a black calf, toe-cap Oxford will increase from the current price of 495 to 720. Im starting to wonder if the differential is worth it. It could be far more expensive than the cost of a single pair if theyre so much more comfortable as they are for you as it would make it harder to wear the shoes are own currently. Theres a lot of marketing in this entry-level market: everyone says their shoes are handcrafted, using the best materials.. From a comfort perspective these are unrivaled for the price, similar to how I have heard Baudoin & Lange described. I think calling things cost-effective when you just mean cheaper would be a needless euphemism. Just make sure Trickers does not end up too chunky for you. I live in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam so I know these companies. However, I would recommend ones like TLB and Skolyx that I have had experience with. **Renav has inconsistent sizing it turns out. Oscar - 8 UK Carmina - Rain - 7.5 UK J. Fitzpatrick - TMG - 7.5 UK Meermin - Rui - 7.5 . I have not personally verified it since, but I believe that I am at the mid-to-upper end of 10.5 based on other fits. Its a smidge roomy, but I don't believe going an extra half down would have worked and I prefer boots to be worn with boot socks. Grant Stone Leo 9D: Solid fit. Wide midfoot, but a touch low instep which translates to average volume, just squashed a bit down. Heel to ball fits much like Barrie 9.5D, with a tiny bit more volume, but toe box tapers more sharply from both sides. Bought before I understood my size. Heel is kind of big for an oxford shoe it turns out, stick to a boot for this last. In fact, it is the favourite last for the Albaladejo family. The close-channel stitching is also a plus, you know youre getting more handwork for the soles. Im thinking of trying something different and the George Cleverley Ready to Wear line has a whole cut I particularly like the look of. And they are a Canadian brand not American. This means that in our Goodyear welted shoes you are likely to go down 0,5 size compared to what you wear in Meermin Hiro. No issues on 5+ hour rides. Have been on a Brannock only once. I have wide feet (I wear 8EEE on the 65 last in Allen Edmonds) so almost none of the regular lasts fit me, except for Forest 7.5EEE. You have to excuse Carminas for being more expensive than Meermins; but when you look at it critically, the difference in cost price is justifiable when you see that Carmina shoes offer more value than the Meermins. Trickers are by no means accessible by price point (especially in the US) but get a pair from the outlet and you still have a pair of tanks that will last you for at least a decade. They look good, a bit more fashionable than the others, but I also cant say Ive worn them enough to really get a sense of their quality. However, it shows. Please use the following format to facilitate readability and searchability: This is an example of what a good comment looks like. I am just wondering if there is anything else I am missing. They may not be top tier but they certainly are hard wearing. Some heel slip until broken in. I'm trying to suss out sizing for several models: I don't know if I can help, but I will give it a go - do bear in mind, of course, that everyone's feet are different. I guess they are really strong in the marketing department indeed. I'm looking at a cobbler union in a 312 last they recommended 1.5 down from brannock. I will look for a similar style shoe latest next year. Truman P-79 9D: Nice fit. Loake 024 last (F-Fit): 7UK a bit tight around toes and heel. Buying a pair of Meermins is not a decision that you are going to regret, trust me. At least in the States, TLB comes in less expensive than C&J even after the customization upcharge and even if you select the higher-quality Artista line. Please dont take offence, I am just dead curious about it. The next level of price is below 250. NWT Pual Smith Linen, Cotton & Silk Blend Neck Tie in Navy w/ White Polka Dots from MR Porter, New w/ Tag $200+ Brioni Italian Made Woven Silk Purple Paisley Neck Tie from Bergdorf Goodman, Vintage Dunhill English Made Black Leather Long Wallet. Worn with normal dress socks. Being cheaper is an objective description of price. Ive found one Cheaney last with a wide toe box that works for me by sizing down so that the heel fits but very little success with other makers. Velasca is an Italian brand that has become popular (they opened on Chiltern Street recently) as has German brand Shoepassion (which makes in Spain). Edward Green does for example. A lot of influencers will also swear that it is box calf, which goes a long way to show either their incompetence or lack of integrity. 511 last 10D: Bad fit. in 9D my feet can slide right out. For a reasonable upcharge, you can select any of their basic designs and pick your own choice of last, leather, and sole options. No more Stows for me. I know last shape and design are the most obvious differences. Viberg 310E 8.5: Roomy in all directions but toe ball lines up with lowest part of the sprung toe forefoot and widest part of foot lines up with widest part of boot. These are two of the best known shoe brands internationally, with Crocketts a British mainstay and Carmina (above) coming to prominence in the past 10 years. Ive tried Lobb, G&G and EG and have notice better uppers but not an increase in comfort compared to C&J handgrade that to me, are the sweet spot of the English shoe made in Northampton at a sensibly lower prices than the top makers. Why not economical or cost effective or something else which has more neutral/positive connotation unlike cheap. Its a comfortable, yet roomy fit. It has a bigger heel and is slightly shorter than 2030, but not enough to warrant sizing up. Meermin shoes are highly trendy and fashionable shoes. Im sure PS readers would disagree! Meermins are stylish shoes, but they are also quite practical as well. Bought before I understood my size. Ive never understood why they tried to branch out so much. As someone who generally purchases shoes in this price point and has experiences with Carmina, Loake, Allen Edmonds, Berwick and Meermin.. Meermin: I own a pair of unlined Chelsea boots in the softcalf leather and I have handled and tried on a paid of loafers in the same leather. Carmina shoes are made with classy Shell Cordovan Leather that is really elegant and unique. While I like the imperial range, I disagree that Cheaney are at a similar level to C&J; even to my untrained eye the upper leather doesnt seem comparable (scuffs more easily) and is thinner. Tried an 8.5E on a 2014 manufactured pair and its better than the modern ones, but the taper is a bit more aggressive so I'd prefer a 9 in much older or "OG" 2030. Think Ill grab a pair of black calf Trickers first, then see how I go. But I am not a US citizen, at least no chauvinism involved. After further research I stand by my words. I beg to disagree. You are of course free to think that theres better sources than Shoegazing. Was no question about it in any of the cases). Given I can purchase a pair of CJ for 650 retail shipped from England this is not a great value. Actually, given the reader survey we did last year and how much the average reader earns and spends, I wouldnt be surprised if most do spend that regularly on their shoes. Jack, I havent looked at Weston in quite a while Im afraid Jack, but from what I remember they are around that kind of level, yes. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Carmina Men's Wing Tip Oxford. The leather feels like a glove and is truly unlined (to the extent that the uppers almost collapse under their own weight), unlike Carminas unlined shoes which dont feel all that different from normal lined shoes. Brannock Size: 10D/E with flat feet and extra wide around instep. JF main line would definitely be in Spain 1. Loake make some shoes in India, 1880 range is made in UK. I now have 3 different pairs on that Cheaney last. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I guess I was just wondering whether some of those extra things were actually noticeable in terms of comfort, durability, etc, especially because a number of mid-range shoes now have some of the things you mentioned: closed channels, oak-bark soles (or if not, that is always something you can get on the resole), a wide range of leathers, etc. The quality of the leather isnt as good as Crockett and Jones, but is far superior to my Barker and Loake shoes. Thats generally why so many people, or at least readers, like shoes from these other brands. I made the same experience with Bobbies shoes which ended in an oddyssey of sending shoes back and forth. I converted my US size to UK and got that one, should have done 1/2 down from UK. The manager gave me a significant discount for resoling them but, even after three decades as a loyal customer, I would be reluctant to buy from them again. Generally, more expensive suedes are the softer stuff, so it seems to me that theyd actually wear faster. I would agree that some change has happened since Stollenwerk sold the company to an investment fund, they seem to have gone into the greed and certainly for some cost cutting somewhere to make up for the handicap of making in the US. Berwick is very good quality and seems to be stealing some of Loakes market share in the U.K. Prices at the well known shoe store near Victoria undercut Loake. I think Carmina sizing, at first, looks simple but if you read into it, there are lots of strange variations. Do you think there is a difference in comfort? They can be found on many websites for less than 300( e.g. When changing the width of a shoe e.g. Id put them at around Barker/Loake territory, perhaps slightly better. Maybe this section could be titled North America rather than United States. However, after having broken in the heel of my 9.5E MP, I feel like I would have actually been just fine going straight 9.5E. Thanks Robin. Im really tempted to name and praise (as opposed to name and shame! The two brands are roughly the same level of make, with the price difference largely coming down to costs of labour in the UK and Spain. Again, a big thank you to Simon and Jesper for the article. JavaScript is disabled. Put simply, if you pay 250 for a shoe you cannot get 500 quality. Crownhill is decent stuff as well, especially the material level for the price is good. Former Affiliate Vendor Threads; a Locked Forum. 55 last 9.5E: Excellent fit with thick or thin socks, this is what boot heaven feels like! *UPDATE: Carmina say they do not use plastic heel stiffeners. Indeed the leather is really stiff. I have had to send back two pairs on separate occasions that both had massive construction errors. In durability? My favourite pair of C&J have been back to the factory four times for refurbishment. - 8 (very voluminous, though) Carmina- Robert- 8 Carmina- Rain- 8 Carmina- Forest- 8 Carmina- Soller-8 . I am a little biased here because I have had these for longer than any other pair on this list, so they are more broken in, and the last happens to fit my foot better than any but the C&J 348 too. @ Matty, if your initial post was relatively friendly and good natured Im sure you would have gotten a similar reply. Ie if you spend 500 on a pair of shoes youd probably be looking at circa 2,000 for your suit and 150 for your shirt. Really useful local knowledge, thanks David. Side-note: >90% of the sneakers I've worn over the years have been 10D, mostly Vans growing up and later Asics. Thats is some very useful information Jesper, thank you! Initially uncomfortably tight across the vamp in shell and with moderate heal slip. Cross posting in case any regular readers of this thread can help. Crockett & Jones (bench grade): I own the Alex (wholecut on 348 last). Nick horween has spoken at length about this, so shell cordovan chromexcel etc are technically corrected grain. NEW Allen Edmonds Leeds 9591 8.5 E Shell Cordovan Color 8 PTB Blucher USA. Alden Van: 10D - Good fit. I would note that although the shoes I own have tight sole stitching, C&J models without pinking on the soles (for example, the Sydney with rubber soles) are noticeably less sleek. If anything, I would say last and design are the least obvious things they are the easiest ones to mimic. Carmina Rain: UK 11 (best fitting Carmina last for me) Carmina Inca: UK 11 (too tight across instep) Carmina Forest: UK 11.5 (snug instep) Carmina Simpson: my feet are too wide for this last. I absolutely could not go a half-size down. Chunky, comfortable, and with nice make but the suede itself is nothing special, certainly worse than Crownhill in the same price range. I had the hope it would get softer and stretch a bit. If one do good research ahead of placing an order (not just go by brand names and heritage, doesnt work anymore in the bespoke shoe world), choose a brand that suits ones style and preferences for shoes, the chance youll get your best shoes ever are very high. This separates footwear from most of fashion and it feels good to support the companies that work towards this. Theyre good at marketing and following trends in particular, and have done very well in recent years. Snug in thick socks. Its also an experience shared by many others with much more experience than me of various brands, and something Ive been told by both retailers who sell both British and European shoes, and not least cobblers. E.g. These are all a pretty similar level of make, though you lose a little in the raw-material quality among the cheaper ones, such as Septieme Largeur." With shoes, up to a certain quite high price point, you get what you pay for and further this is possible to judge objectively. Interesting that not many people would know that though. Besides a very enthusiastic and engaging chap in the Jermyn Street store, whose name I have forgotten, they could do with taking lessons from the brands mentioned in this post. I usually just buy shoes in the 500 range when they go on sale for 200-300, but in the 300 range I really like the Austrian manufacturer Handmacher; they make shoes on traditionally boxy Viennese lasts, and they use tiny wooden nails to connect the soles to the uppers. Its just the next level up. Thanks for your efforts! Own a pair of derby shoes in the last now. When you login first time using a Social Login button, we collect your account public profile information shared by Social Login provider, based on your privacy settings. Alden Trublanace 9D: Far more volume than I need and a lot of play side to side in the ankle area but certainly comfortable. I think I could also safely do this last in in 9.5, but I'm not trying to wear my boots as tight as possible. JavaScript is disabled. As someone who has purchased a few of these brands, I found this article to be very interesting and accurate. Having a shorter HTT than HTB allows me to wear it 1 down from by brannock. The fact is that Cheaney have one flagship store and the vast bulk of their business is on line whilst JL are paying for expensive locations and staff explains all at the end of the day its not so complicated. HIRO 9: Terrible fit. Where would you fit in Carlos Santos? Overall - and this all has to be generalisation - with English shoes you get a solid make and good quality control. Because of the great leather material of the Carminas, youll get yourself a pair of shoes that are bound to stand you out in the positive way.CARMINA LEATHER, Meermins, on the other hand, are made with premium leather materials ranging from hybrid calfskin leather materials to even Shell Cordovan leather.MEERMIN LEATHER. You are using an out of date browser. Too tight in the vamp and mid-foot. I have not found any better service than that provided by the C&J shops in Jermyn Street (and actually at the factory shop on the one occasion I managed to visit). The soles are more durable, the calf leather takes polish better and ages better, elements of the make lead to extra comfort (as do the materials), the make is finer and so looks better, and so on. Carmina shoes are well-fitting shoes that grip your feet firmly on the go so that you get more balance and stability in your motions. Brilliant. Steve. I definitely enjoy the articles with the highest quality makes but its nice to have a change of pace as well, especially if its going to help me make a decision on something Im likely to buy. Hi Simon, do you know if JM Westons shoes are at a similar level to Crockett&Jones Handgrade? Japan is the biggest market in Asia for dress shoe brands, but a lot of the cheaper shoes (below 200) are made elsewhere in Asia and just finished at home (similar to Italy). He knows the market back to front and is a lovely gent. One think really dont understand is why GC dilute their brand with the C&J RTW line instead of focusing on the Anthony Cleverley line which I hardly see being sold anywhere. You are using an out of date browser. The soft cushioning of the insoles in Carmina shoes are some of the best in the industry today. These Meermin shoes are comfortable, fashionable, trendy, and highly durable. They wear down quickly.. Certainly compared to other parts of the shoe. 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