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On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. Audio CD. One of the best books that I have ever read. Sorry, there was a problem loading this page. I wanted to read this book because I saw a snippet on MSNBC or one of those late night shows, (about the last 7-10 minutes of the show) that was actually the television version of what had taken place back in 2001. Some time after 1 a.m., she sat in the car and apparently mixed a bottle of sleeping pills with Zacharys formula. Reviewed in the United States on October 1, 2022. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. Its something that cant be forgiven, says Shears. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) It's either in my closet or my bedroom. He loved to laugh, Kate says. The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. They were forced to hand Zachary back to Turner and, again, tiptoe around her. Right, right. MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest true crime memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. But Turner did a strange thing: she woke Zachary up and said to him: "Say goodbye to Grandma and Grandad. This is tragically cut with one of Andrew's friends remembering that he was never latewhich is how he knew, when Andrew didn't arrive to his house as planned, that something was terribly wrong. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. It is a story of their love for an infant and a tale of their determination to care for the child, even if it meant learning to live with the woman they were sure had killed their son. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. They have a mission to bring change from tragedy. My gut just churned. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? His parents were ecstatic. In July 2002 she gave birth to a boy. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. While battling the extremely long court system in Canada, they did all they could to keep things civil between themselves and the accused murderer of their son. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices. For fans of true crime, this is the perfect book for you. He, consumed by anger. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. Is it OK? So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. Inspired by his mother's tales of interesting medical cases and wonderful patients, Andrew decided he would be a doctor. Shortly after being taken into custody, Turner announced that she was pregnant with Andrew's child, a boy she named Zachary. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. The full hour will not be available online. At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. Dear Abby: Why do they imply my husband is a freak? Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. It is scary and shocking and I found myself admiring them in a way I have admired few and wondering how they managed to go on. When we met him, we just melted as if it was magic. MORRISON: And tell me about your mum with Zachary. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. They drowned Aug. 18, 2003, in what was ruled a murder-suicide. I mean, the best man is really the groom. Even before the ultimate tragic end,I strongly felt that it was a crime within itself that that woman had that defenceless child. MORRISON: But then things changed. And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. I, was like, `Hi, buddy.' get in there, if that's what she demanded. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. This book was very well written, and straight to the point. killed herself and Zachary in a murder-suicide. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. I was truly shocked when I watched it. In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. I was just hoping more from this book, but I can understand it. I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. Zachary enjoyed himself in the water and a couple of hours later the Bagbys drove Turner and the baby home. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. Even after the reunion episode, where more information emerged about David's multiple hookups both on the show and afterward, Kate stuck by her man. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. I mean, she. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. Andrew Bagby, 28, was their light, their love, their boy. This book ends in heartbreaking tragedy. A couple whose son and grandson were murdered are celebrating a new law that empowers Canadian courts to refuse bail when a suspect's child may be in danger. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? He'd been shot five times, including in the back of the head. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard her son had been murdered. Zachary didn't seem like. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. did. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. I had this overwhelming feeling. Andrew Bagby was studying at Memorial University medical school in Newfoundland when he met Turner, a fellow medical student 12 years his senior. First, the provincial and territorial courts must determine whether the accused should be jailed in Canada as the proceedings move forward. They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. A man, who would not give police his name, called the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary to report that he had met Turner in a St. Johns bar and that he later had sex with her. I hate it. Andrew Bagby was an easygoing man with a wide circle of friends who found it almost impossible to say no to people. How could Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale have anything to do with murder? How could they let an accused murderer walk free? news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. And I don't know, I just lay on top of her and we, MORRISON: T.J. opened the door to police, too, and heard the. "Honestly, that's one of the things that makes me most happy about the passage of the law," he said from Burbank, Calif. "I hope it will enable them to kind of move on mentally and enjoy good things in life. March 17, 2007 at 7:39 p.m. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. then one day I realized what it was. And he's like, `I'm not looking for anything serious. He was in a little crib and David and I knelt down at his feet and he was just, beautiful.". GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. It pains me to award only two stars to a book written by David Bagby, but I want to use the Goodreads' ranking system more accurately. She, floored by grief. See rank. By 6 p.m. she left for Keystone State Park, where she and Andrew had agreed to meet after his hospital shift. How could a woman be in jail on a suicide watch one day and be taking care of his grandson the next? KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. Kate reacted with tremendous grief.. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. Then, in August 2003, Shirley Turner killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. Once, she called him 30 times while he was at a pal's wedding. The watch was continued after a more comprehensive psychological exam. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. 2007 David Bagby (P)2016 ListenUp Production, LLC. Unfortunately, it went out of print and is very expensive to purchase. Add a bio, trivia, and more. Fans loved all of the drama this couple had, on the show so let's hope season three brings just as much heat! Cpl. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. I read this book in a single day on 2 airplanes several months ago. Right? He was such a good baby. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. May give you a new appreciation for being an American. No spoilers here for my friends but you must watch this film. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? How they were able to do that is phenomenal, actually, says the Rev. `When Andrew would cry, David would say, `To think we paid good money for this,' Kate jokes. Shirley kills Zachary and herself by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. Temptation Island: What Happened To David & Kate After Season 2? is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. He was beautiful and looked just like Andrew. We decided we have to go to Canada to watch the trial and we have to go to make sure the baby gets a good start, David says. This is an amazing true story that waswell, not conveyed with the same fiery delivery seen in the film "Dear Zachary". In the spring of 2002, David quit his job and Kate took a leave. But he could not get rid of her.. "It was like being at war," adds David. quiet. Christopher Snow, of St. Michael and All Angels Church, which the Bagbys attended in Newfoundland. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). Tragically, Shirley kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. Temptation Islandairs Tuesdays at 10 pm ET on USA. Suspicion immediately fell on an ex-lover, Shirley Turner, well-known among Andrew's friends and family for her one-sided obsession with Bagbyan obsession that led to her driving sixteen hours back to his home after their final breakup the day before Bagby's body was discovered. So I gave her the. I sat there. "They are appalled and outraged.". With Shirley Turner out of jail it was time for the Bagbys to clench their teeth again. He says he would blunt his emotions, shut them off, and concentrate on the baby. There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. AN AMAZING BOOK WHICH HONOURS TWO AMAZING LIVES. By Mike Cassidy | Bay Area News Group. David reacted with anger. I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one. Man #26: and for having the strength to make it through, Unidentified Man #27: With what you've been through, to still be, carrying on, still to hold your heads up and keep going and pushing forward is, (Kate and David; photo of David and Kate), Unidentified Woman #13: I think God put some people down on Earth, Mr. A. BAGBY: (Wedding video) We're brothers, and I love you. The Hornet was just back from patrolling . And he was beautiful, Kate says. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. Part of my peace comes from doing everything to change Canadian law. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. I'm rarely the kind of gal that cries during movies or books and I was sobbing. "You ask yourself, 'How could that happen?'". That one comes back a lot. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. She was granted bail and awarded custody of the child despite the fact that she faced charges ofpremeditated murder and had fled the U.S. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their year-old grandchild was killed in Newfoundland in 2003,the California couple hasn't bothered decking the halls, but now they're celebrating alegal victory in the case. Time to stay civil with the woman who killed their child. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. Initially, Andrew's close friend Kurt Kuenne, a filmmaker, intended the film as a personal memorial and scrapbook so that Zachary could know the kind of person his father was. Kate and David married five months later. And then we'd do it through the lawyers. As the couple continued to date, Andrew complained to friends that Turner would not leave him alone. She was living with another nurse and her parents, who had also emigrated from England. For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. Was she lying? Not always. The documentary was also made with the intention of being given to Andrew's son Zachary to explain the full story of his family. We finally got a baby.. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. This provision has a good chance of causing judges and prosecutors to fix what got Zachary killed.". It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. "When people have seen Dear Zachary, they gasp," says David. I am, just under the surface, perpetually angry. I agree whole heartedly, that things need to change. Zachary held his hands out, reaching for Kate.. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we dont use a simple average. Zachary himself was murdered by his mother as well. She fled to Newfoundland a week after Andrews murder and vowed to fight extradition. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). I saw the documentaryand I am speechless. I'm tired of this. Why? The Bagbys hoping to gain custody of Zachary moved to Newfoundland and began a long, drawn-out battle in court and with Canadian social services to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. Nor do the memories, starting with the Nov. 6, 2001, phone call. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. Colleagues warned him to go to the police but, instead, after work that day he drove to a car park to meet her. It was the result the couple had been waiting for. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. David Bagby has written such a poignant account of the sordid happenings and has brought both Andrew and Zachary alive on the pages. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. It's. and allowed to play Russian Roulette with her baby's and other people's lives is totally ludacris. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. Im sure shes just gone somewhere. IMDbPro Starmeter. As Turner fought her extradition on murder charges, the Bagbys fought for custody of their grandchild. In January 2003, the Canadian appeals court ordered her freed while the extradition case moved forward. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. 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